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Permapublishing

2025-04-05T14:38:28Z

Manetta: Created page with "These are the notes that we took during two conversations at the PPP event at Paris on 4 + 5 April 2025. ==Friday== permacomputing <> pre post print-like publishing practices (wow 5 p's!) https://prepostprint.org/pppermapublishing/ inspired by https://permacomputing.net Timothee: me and Victor organised PPPermapublish in Strasbourgh last September did not go far enough into the topic lot of demo's and discussions lot of seeds were planted at the time, bu..."

These are the notes that we took during two conversations at the PPP event at Paris on 4 + 5 April 2025.

==Friday==

permacomputing <> pre post print-like publishing practices (wow 5 p's!)

https://prepostprint.org/pppermapublishing/

inspired by https://permacomputing.net

Timothee: me and Victor organised PPPermapublish in Strasbourgh last September

did not go far enough into the topic

lot of demo's and discussions

lot of seeds were planted at the time, but we did not develop a deep understanding of it yet

it was more a beginning of the discussion, maybe today is the follow up?

How can we integrate permacomputing into publishing?

We both organised it but for that reason we also missed a lot.

Victor: Why permapublishing in strasbourg?

We are both in a practice around unix ways of doing things

Working in the terminal with shell

with Arthur and Marc, who were doing all the things through the shell

which is a very light weight way of working

which makes old computers, eg from 2000s, still powerful

how can you live your daily life in the shell :)

katzele (http://katzele.netlib.re/ (fr)) the name of this group

the project is there to try to implement permacomputing principles

if you need a website, you don't need 5 people hosting a server in their home..

you can have 1 raspberry in one house, and host everything there

speaking of permapublishing...

permapublishing is about autonomy

and if you think of your printer, and your ink, it is hard

if it's about being self-reliant on every aspect in their practice

Eleni: Since you mentioned printer... I realise that my HP printer that i bought for 40 EUR. It will be less expansive to get a new printer, rather then getting new ink for the printer.

What about hacking my printer...

Marie : our friend Cloé worked on « ink-jacking », about how you hack the printer by reinjecting ink in cartriges with a synringe download the ZINE: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-qDJGA_EXxNMl_lk42FijsKhOd7TncCA

in response to the question of autonomy: i don't agree that permacomputing is about autonomy

the metaphor of the camper off-grid is really a misconception of what permacomputing can be

this is a very individualistic mindset

it's very hard to do someting by yourself, that is why we want to form communities

the question of dependency is super important, to know who has the power, but it's not about building things from scratch

permapublishing is not about producing our own computer, same as permacomputing is not about building your own computer.

it's more about: how many resources do we need?

This makes me think of Oliver Bertrand « surfaces utiles », who is a publisher, printed on the edges of a book, making zines that could fit on the edges of a print plate.

"Doing things in the edges" (beautiful phrase!)

Victor: already doubted the word autonomy...

in Strasbourgh, there was a big factory... and it closed down. they did fancy papers, and now it is closed.

there is no printer in the city where you can go to see the paper, you can go to the art school, but without access there, you don't have access to paper

A second big word: facism.

If someone can prevent someone access from publishing tools...

Who can prevent someone to have access from the paper?

What if the crisis of facism comes...

if you know how to organise information and share it, it's very important.

Tessa: with my class at my bachelor we went to visit Chile.. there have been big civil riots around disagreements in the constitution. The situation was very tense. There was a printing shop ran by the students.. 5 people in the class died... in response, classmates printed a lot of things and had to operate without electricity. They set up a manual offset print station, going back to older techniques. This was a very eye opening moment.

Yann: this really echoes. We are building a collective print workshop in Fontenay: risociation. Paying the rent together, buying the materials, machines...

Many of us are working on « Déborder Bolloré », (8th richest person in France, Bolloré owns Hachette for instance), https://deborderbollore.fr/ many of us are involved in this project,. It's not official yet; but hopefully in the summer we're organizing this event in Fontenay with other workshops in france and other parts of europe. Gather together and organize ourselves

So if you are interested in this, and part of a print workshop similarly, feel free to reach out.

Marie: Is the idea to make a printshop?

Yann: Yes this is already happening. It's more about organising now how we work together in the studio. The event will be an opening of this place, to say it exists. Also as an example that can be appriated by other people. The idea is to keep locality in mind, because sometimes it makes more sense to print in another city or place. You cannot solve the problems on your own.

Martin: getting a xerox machine is actually pretty cheap, companies sell them all the time, when the maintenance contract ends. The company who does the maintenance need to pay money to take the "old" machine back, and sells it for a low price, like 200 EUR. The problem becomes to maintain it yourself.

Manetta: i was curious to bring the convo back to software : i think it's interresting to share our infrastructures, when we speak about software the words become super fuzzy. Browsers become heavier and heavier for the computer to run.

Postscript is great but not made in a way to make you write it with hands

Postcript can be executed on mac only with a postscript to pdf tool

I realized later [after the postscript workshop] that the code could actually be ran from the printer itself

Victor :

A friend (marc chantreux) is against browser

other ways to access the web without a gui browser: software: >>>>

w3m https://w3m.sourceforge.net/index.en.html

lynx https://terminaltrove.com/lynx/

chawan (includes javascript and css in your terminal!?!)

↑ examples of software to not use "regular" gui browsers

Can you live without a browser?

Javascript is heavy, so with people without a strong internet connection, you can better only use html and css

but for designers, it starts to become very boring

it limits the playfulness on the web

groff/roff

postscript

latex

these are all different layout environments to make layout

how much can we be playful with it?

was there a graphic designer who used groff in there practice?

trans-something...

working with other people

what culture do we have here?

there is a practice to convert the one language into the other (as a kind of bridging)

can this enable collaboration?

Marie : What was before postscript ? - tendency to look at the past

Manetta showing : print shop https://theprintshop.club/

a tool to make greeting cards, as a reaction to hallmark

this tool includes a kaleidoscope viewer, just for the fun of it, it's not only about production, i think we lack this weirdness in the softwares we use now

electric zine maker - https://alienmelon.itch.io/electric-zine-maker

permacomputing forum to continue the discussion : https://bbs.permacomputing.net/

links that came up in after conversations

- http://screenl.es/things.html

- https://varia.zone/en/plaintext-protocols-partyline.html + https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/2022-09-17-16-Plaintext-Protocol-Partyline/

- https://git.sr.ht/~bptato/chawan in between terminal and browser

an attempt of a draft of an opening post on bbs.permacomputing.net

[discuss] What could permapublishing be?

We are gathering here in Paris today and tomorrow with peers from the PrePostPrint network, and earlier this afternoon we sat down to pick up the conversation around permapublishing that started last September in Strassbourgh: what can it be? What was discussed last September? Which initiatives are happening? We only had an hour, which was way to short to get deeper into this still open question, but we decided to gather her to continue the conversation!

So voila, here we are :).

==Saturday==

Permapublishing continued

Can we break down what permapublishing could be?

What are the different points of tension?

- printer, planned obselecense, printer as computer (speaking postscript)

- software issues, ps, pdf, adobe's relation to pdf

- autonomy <> community

dependency/relations

relationships through dependencies

where do you get your paper?

should we make everything from scratch?

outsource/collaborate to paper makers?

networks of solidarity, related to the printer initiative of Yann

workers movement that broke the machines?

women (gleaners) went to the field to pick the seeds in the harvest season

additional jobs that surrounded tasks, multiple people

the machines coming in were a new way of working, you needed a lot of money to have the machines, which was a start of capitalisation

when the (big blade) arrived in the field, there was also pressure against it..

relation to paper: paper was made from scraps of clothes

you had to gather the scraps to make paper out of it

how can we make the most of everything we have? (circularity before circularity as an idea was there)

decentralization these days is: everything is produced in east asia and comes back to europe

if we're trying to be some kind of degree of autonomous, it becomes very difficult

everything that happened in those two centuries, we need to unravel it again

the complexity layers increase, it becomes very difficult

the clothes industry is currently the most poluting industry

but with the current textiles (plastic based) the situation is not the same as 2 centuries ago

it feels like building a city again

ON PAPER

bachelor thesis on paper production

too much plastic and electrics in the fabric

but struggled to print

on paper: some people contextualize paper made from fabrique, cotton,

a book on paper: "NATURAL ENEMIES OF BOOKS"

the paper factory in the netherlands

https://demiddelstemolen.nl/

Q: Oveproduction, the scale, the economy of books, the ones that get sale circulate, the others get destroyed.

speculation on titles to get popular, but many books leave on the shelves

Overproduction vs the importance of knowledge production

On books that are important: they're expensive and stay on people's shelves anyway, so how to have them circulate a bit more, outside of the shops that concentrate on their revenue?

What about the life of the books?

How to keep circulating them?

How to give them the best life?

To make a book sustainable, it has to be read.

lifecycle analysys of the lowtech mag

marie's article:

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2025/03/the-compressed-book-edition/

putting the lowtechmagazine book in the library is the most sustainable way to access lowtechmagazine

Is there any way to erase ink from paper?

back in the days, animal skin (leather) was used to write upon

how to do this with non animal material?

there are thermal reaction paper

seasonal books??!

solar panel based website is also seasonal in a way, the website is not up at all times

maybe you can only access books under a certain temperature

but then how many times can you re-layer them

ON SOFTWARE issue

The pdf: a bit heavy compared to a txt file

text-paper-ink

A lot of victor's martin's and arthur's pages are text, they prefer using tools that are more comphortable with text files.

Not in the grand scheme of things, the energy cost in the moment though is it the same - please correct me here, I lost things

"i like to read in vim" -

"vim designing"

Are we actually saving energy costs with this?

maybe the perma-computing sense does not only come in here through saving energy costs but the malleability of a file format that allows you do read/write/edit

reading should be read/write !!

R&W - a dialogue

reading == read/write

a small computer is practical, to read and write on the move. On the text files, the structure is all there, and all there is.

when do you need to ship information with structure?

you are inclined in doing it, because there pleasure in working this way

but css mails are very fun to receive, but in gmail it is a pain, but in mud you can't see anything

friends on tmux review on css mails : can't read

When do I need structure, when can I work on just a text file?

Not wanting to impose this practice onto other people, but it triggers questions

Nice thing about emails is that you can have multiple versions, html, txt, you could have a config to look at the txt version by default and voila (IN THEORY)

LIMITS

In this framework (permacomputing)

where do we draw the line of what is too much, what is radical enough?

do we not send images to each other, because it is enough?

what are the relative situated criteria? should be contextualized and framed from needs

how to formulate limits? and start to make choices?

permaarchiving is a super interesting take here too, what do we keep

very important question of memory, specially in the political context of facism right now

timelines of media

harddrives do not last!

paper is the long term option, backups are important but don't last forever

SSDs are more unstable than HDD, around 8 years for commercial ones.

magnetic tape as a stable option to store data?

the university archivist in Strassbourgh: if you want to loose something, save it digitally

a nice tool to archive on paper :

OPTAR to compress and uncompress (optar/unoptar), it is a qr code, with the data inside it, not linked to data elsewhere.

store data on paper!!! <3

https://github.com/colindean/optar

it would be super fun to make seasonal optar datacenter

SOFTWARE USED TO PRODUCE BOOKS

how can we think of Limits in relation to css print, permapublishing in relationship to css print?

indesign - css print?

In 30 years the files are certain to be readable

can you open indesign files without a license? no

can you read indesign files? yes, but you cannot really change anything

css is declarative, you can read it -human readable

css is readable, if you speak english

standards are meant to stay around, how to think about the friction between taking plain css (a lagnauge formulated by big companies) vs seeing the custom usages that people develop.

Browser: still a big blackbox

As a user you can write into html and css, but how can you write ....

perl, the maker of this language, loves language, re..ability

friction between custom tools vs standards

how to tweak your layout engine?

you should be able to tweak the renders, from shellscripting practices: if you find a way to do a very specific layout in css but it is unpractical, you can make a script that makes the logic for you. But then you loose readability of the css maybe... gaining and loosing.

experiment to publish stylesheets during a declarations workshop in Berlin

published as a wiki page

PUBLISHING OUR STYLESHEET??

there's maybe the connection to permacomputing, also you avoid to have to pass through the inspector all the time

can we mix stylesheets?? 70% prepostprint website, 30% wikipedia

sharing how we use css

make css libraries

ref to classless stylesheets(?)

css zen garden https://csszengarden.com/

css print zen garden when?!? :---)

why the % stylesheets interesting

it makes the styling permeable, because if an external changes

question of energy is one

but question of community is super important

we should not aim for getting rid of depencies

we should aim at relining depencies with our values

HOW TO START?

it is nice to talk but how to practice

There is a new forum on the permacomputing website that we can use, it invonlves appling for an account

https://bbs.permacomputing.net/

LGM (https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2025/) in Nuremberg in late May, there could be a nice space to continue, there also are more people to continue the conversation, Brendan Howell will be there, also tied to permacomputing, he made "the screenless office".

form : https://framaforms.org/account-request-permacomputing-forum-1743087976

TABLE OF CONTENTS:(of topics we could discuss in the forum)

PAPER

SOFTWARE

PRINTER

ARCHIVE

can we analyse specific projects to study all the layers of the publishing process? the compromises that were made, explore the context

would be super interesting to do case studies

case analysis : *Grand Tour.. * ; Imal posters ?

example of a book trying to be as sustainable as possible, without images but with vector drawings to save ink, ecologies inks

there are more examples that are interesting to look at

kewords:

unraveling, autonomy, collectivity,

PPP meetup, 16 February 2024

2024-02-06T17:13:22Z

Manetta:

==PrePostPrint Meetup==

[[File:Ppp.png|600px]]

* date: 2024/02/16
* time: 11:00-17:00
* at: [https://hackersanddesigners.nl/ Hackers & Designers] Studio
* type: Meetup

Welcome to the PrePostPrint NL group!

PPP is a community of practices around experimental publications made with free software (https://prepostprint.org).

The PPP NL group is imagined as a local satellite of the wider PPP community. While free/libre open source practices seem to be more widely discussed in the context of France and Belgium, we are missing spaces for exchange and converse in the local context of The Netherlands.

If you're curious to explore Free/Libre and Open Source Software (F/LOSS) to make publications and layouts with, or have already worked with these tools and are looking for ways to exchange with others, please join us on 16 February 2024 at the H&D studio!

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===Schedule===

11:00 Coffee, tea
11.30 Introductions
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13.00 - 14.00 Lunch (H&D makes a soup, please bring something to supplement like bread, salad or 'smeersels')
14.00 - 16.00 PPP peers: moment to continue in groups or create groups around shared urgencies
16.00 - 17.00: Regroup, making plans for the future of PPP NL

===Pad===

https://etherpad.hackersanddesigners.nl/p/ppp-nl

===See also===

* [[PPP NL]]
* https://hackersanddesigners.nl/prepostprint-meetup.html

PPP meetup, 16 February 2024

2024-02-06T17:09:05Z

Manetta:

==PrePostPrint Meetup==

[[File:Ppp.png|600px]]

* date: 2024/02/16
* time: 11:00-17:00
* at: [https://hackersanddesigners.nl/ Hackers & Designers] Studio
* type: Meetup

Welcome to the PrePostPrint NL group!

PPP is a community of practices around experimental publications made with free software (https://prepostprint.org).

The PPP NL group is imagined as a local satellite of the wider PPP community. While free/libre open source practices seem to be more widely discussed in the context of France and Belgium, we are missing spaces for exchange and converse in the local context of The Netherlands.

If you're curious to explore Free/Libre and Open Source Software (F/LOSS) to make publications and layouts with, or have already worked with these tools and are looking for ways to exchange with others, please join us on 16 February 2024 at the H&D studio!

Schedule:

11:00 Coffee, tea
11.30 Introductions
12:00 - 13.00 PPP peers: moment to create groups around shared urgencies
13.00 - 14.00 Lunch (H&D makes a soup, please bring something to supplement like bread, salad or 'smeersels')
14.00 - 16.00 PPP peers: moment to continue in groups or create groups around shared urgencies
16.00 - 17.00: Regroup, making plans for the future of PPP NL

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===See also===

* [[PPP NL]]
* https://hackersanddesigners.nl/prepostprint-meetup.html

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== Resources ==
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It already lists some '''[[Tools]]'''.

We also planned to gather [[Bookmarks]] and a [[Reading list]].

How about a list of [[workshops]] run by PPPeers in recent years?

Since you read that, please know that ''you'' are more than welcome to add tools, guides, recipes, misc bookmarks or whatever you feel makes sense in PrePostPrint field of interest!

== Local PrePostPrint groups ==

* [[PPP NL]]

== Events ==

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* [[PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia|PrePostPrint Local Meetup (Rotterdam): 24 + 25 November 2023]]
* [[Hackaton PrePostPrint PPPrototypes @ La Générale (Paris): 30 April 01 May 2022|PPPrototypes hackaton @ La Générale (Paris): 30 April + 01 May 2022]]
* [[PPPrototype hackaton @ La Générale (Paris): 18, 19 September 2021|PPPrototypes hackaton @ La Générale (Paris): 18, 19 September 2021]]
See also: [[Timeline]]

== PPP maintainers group ==

Within PrePostPrint, a maintenance group has been formed to re-imagine how the initiative works. This maintenance group was formed in October 2022 at an event organised by Varia (Publishing Partyline) in Rotterdam, and is now working on re-imagining its orientations.

'''From March 2023 to October 2023, the maintainers are''': Quentin Juhel, Julien Bidoret, Zeste Le Reste, Manetta Berends, Julien Taquet, Raphaël Bastide, Martin Lemaire, Simon Browne.

'''In 2024 the maintainers are''': Alex Roidl, Zeste Le Reste, Antoine Fauchié, Nicolas Taffin, Julien Taquet, Martin Lemaire, Quentin Juhel and Kiara Jouhanneau.

* PPP maintenance log: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/

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We're just getting started, we are around on the [https://prepostprint.org/contact/ Matrix community channels] and have a [https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om Signal group] also. If you're based in The Netherlands and are interested in PrePostPrint, you're welcome! Our current agreements are to invite friends and try to meet regularly for full-day hang out & have fun sessions.

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== Announcement text ==
For sharing in the Signal chat or elsewhere 🤗<blockquote>Welcome to the PrePostPrint NL group!

PPP is a community of practices around experimental publications made with free software.

The PPP NL group is a local satellite of the wider PPP community. While free/libre open source practices seem to be more widely discussed in the context of France and Belgium, we are missing spaces for exchange and converse in the local context of The Netherlands.</blockquote>

==Gatherings==

* [[PPP meetup, 16 February 2024]] @ Hackers & Designers, Amsterdam

PPP meetup, 16 February 2024

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==PrePostPrint Meetup==

[[File:Ppp.png|600px]]

* date: 2024/02/16
* time: 11:00-17:00
* at: Hackers & Designers Studio
* type: Meetup

Welcome to the PrePostPrint NL group!

PPP is a community of practices around experimental publications made with free software (https://prepostprint.org).

The PPP NL group is imagined as a local satellite of the wider PPP community. While free/libre open source practices seem to be more widely discussed in the context of France and Belgium, we are missing spaces for exchange and converse in the local context of The Netherlands.

If you're curious to explore Free/Libre and Open Source Software (F/LOSS) to make publications and layouts with, or have already worked with these tools and are looking for ways to exchange with others, please join us on 16 February 2024 at the H&D studio!

Schedule:

11:00 Coffee, tea
11.30 Introductions
12:00 - 13.00 PPP peers: moment to create groups around shared urgencies
13.00 - 14.00 Lunch (H&D makes a soup, please bring something to supplement like bread, salad or 'smeersels')
14.00 - 16.00 PPP peers: moment to continue in groups or create groups around shared urgencies
16.00 - 17.00: Regroup, making plans for the future of PPP NL

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Main Page

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[[File:PrePostPrint logo.svg|alt=PrePostPrint logo|frameless]]

Welcome to PrePostPrint wiki!

PrePostPrint wants to gather those working with experimental publishing techniques and to help to make their projects and tools more accessible. [[PrePostPrint:About|Learn more]].

'''This wiki is under construction. Join [https://matrix.to/#/!cizYvymoSNbJTNoYzV:matrix.org?via=matrix.org&via=autonomic.zone&via=matrix.domainepublic.net the conversation] around it.'''

== Resources ==
Our resources section will soon have some [[Guides]], some [[Recipes]] and already list some '''[[Tools]]'''. We will soon also have a huge [[Bookmarks]] list. There are [[Groups]] too.

Since you read that, please know that ''you'' are more than welcome to add tools, guides, recipes, misc bookmarks or whatever you feel makes sense in PrePostPrint field of interest!

== Local PrePostPrint groups ==

* [[Netherlands]]

== Events ==

* [[PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia|PrePostPrint Local Meetup (Rotterdam): 24 + 25 November 2023]]
* [[PPPrototypes workshop @ Césure|PPPrototypes workshop @ Césure (Censier, Paris): 20 + 21 January 2024]]

== PPP maintainers group ==

Within PrePostPrint, a maintenance group has been formed to re-imagine how the initiative works. This maintenance group was formed in October 2022 at an event organised by Varia (Publishing Partyline) in Rotterdam, and is now working on re-imagining its orientations.

'''From March 2023 to October 2023, the maintainers are''': Quentin Juhel, Julien Bidoret, Zeste Le Reste, Manetta Berends, Julien Taquet, Raphaël Bastide, Martin Lemaire, Simon Browne.

'''In 2024 the maintainers are''': Alex Roidl, Zeste Le Reste, Antoine Fauchié, Nicolas Taffin, Julien Taquet, Martin Lemaire, Quentin Juhel and Kiara Jouhanneau.

* PPP maintenance log: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/

== Getting started ==
* [[Special:CreateAccount|Create an account]] and let’s introduce yourself
* Join the public conversation on [https://matrix.to/#/#prepostprint-public:matrix.org Element] and follow PPP on [https://post.lurk.org/@prepostprint Mastodon]
* [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]
* [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]

Link to change the style of the wiki: [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]

Main Page

2024-01-18T10:03:40Z

Manetta: /* PPP maintainers group */

[[File:PrePostPrint logo.svg|alt=PrePostPrint logo|frameless]]

Welcome to PrePostPrint wiki!

PrePostPrint wants to gather those working with experimental publishing techniques and to help to make their projects and tools more accessible. [[PrePostPrint:About|Learn more]].

'''This wiki is under construction. Join [https://matrix.to/#/!cizYvymoSNbJTNoYzV:matrix.org?via=matrix.org&via=autonomic.zone&via=matrix.domainepublic.net the conversation] around it.'''

== Resources ==
Our resources section will soon have some [[Guides]], some [[Recipes]] and already list some '''[[Tools]]'''. We will soon also have a huge [[Bookmarks]] list. There are [[Groups]] too.

Since you read that, please know that ''you'' are more than welcome to add tools, guides, recipes, misc bookmarks or whatever you feel makes sense in PrePostPrint field of interest!

== Local PrePostPrint groups ==

* [[Netherlands]]

== Events ==

* [[PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia|PrePostPrint Local Meetup (Rotterdam): 24 + 25 November 2023]]
* [[PPPrototypes workshop @ Césure|PPPrototypes workshop @ Césure (Censier, Paris): 20 + 21 January 2024]]

== PPP maintainers group ==

Within PrePostPrint, a maintenance group has been formed to re-imagine how the initiative works. This maintenance group was formed in October 2022 at an event organised by Varia (Publishing Partyline) in Rotterdam, and is now working on re-imagining its orientations.

From March 2023 to October 2023, the maintainers are: Quentin Juhel, Julien Bidoret, Zeste Le Reste, Manetta Berends, Julien Taquet, Raphaël Bastide, Martin Lemaire, Simon Browne.

In 2024 the maintainers are: Alex Roidl, Zeste Le Reste, Antoine Fauchié, Nicolas Taffin, Julien Taquet, Martin Lemaire, Quentin Juhel and Kiara Jouhanneau.

* PPP maintenance log: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/

== Getting started ==
* [[Special:CreateAccount|Create an account]] and let’s introduce yourself
* Join the public conversation on [https://matrix.to/#/#prepostprint-public:matrix.org Element] and follow PPP on [https://post.lurk.org/@prepostprint Mastodon]
* [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]
* [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]

Link to change the style of the wiki: [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]

PPPrototypes workshop @ Césure

2024-01-18T09:50:55Z

Manetta: Created page with "<blockquote> We're contacting you to invite you to the next PPPrototypes workshop, organized by PrePostPrint. It will take place at Césure (Censier, Paris) on Saturday January 20 and Sunday January 21, 2024. We're imagining it as a convivial get-together where we can discuss our current projects over two days. It's a chance to meet up, discuss our tools and work on our projects with each other's eyes and support. There's no fixed program, so we'll adapt to the mood of..."

<blockquote>

We're contacting you to invite you to the next PPPrototypes workshop, organized by PrePostPrint. It will take place at Césure (Censier, Paris) on Saturday January 20 and Sunday January 21, 2024. We're imagining it as a convivial get-together where we can discuss our current projects over two days. It's a chance to meet up, discuss our tools and work on our projects with each other's eyes and support. There's no fixed program, so we'll adapt to the mood of the moment.

This event is not a training course. (But it's full of other things!!) The idea is that there will be mini-presentations, work sessions, more or less spontaneous mini-trainings, and mutual support. We imagined that this moment would enable us to move forward together on our respective projects, while being able to share them with the people who would be there :)

So come along with your projects, your desires, your ideas. If you don't have any of that, don't worry. Come with your curiosity and we'll let you contribute documentation, code snippets, and we're sure there'll be people who need a hand on their own projects!

Just a few loose ideas :

* present a tool
* make a collaborative edition, a zine, an exquisite corpse
* sort through your computer
* write something
* share files on USB sticks and resources
* Take a moment to work together on something.
* comment on your scripts and other little tricks with a view to sharing them
* add things to the PPP "Resources" page
* contribute to other people's projects during this friendly time
* ...

'''Where do we sleep?''' For those of you not from Paris, we can try to find you accommodation. If you're a Parisian and want to host people, let us know and we'll put you in touch so that supply meets demand!

'''What's for dinner?''' There'll be a communal potluck, and we'll cook together at lunchtime (and it's also possible to cook together in the evenings). We have access to a kitchen, we'll be able to make coffee, etc. We're not planning anything special for Sunday evening, but on Saturday we'll be able to stay the night at Césure, which will be great fun, you'll see :)

'''What do we have to do if we wanna come?''' All you have to do is let us know. We have a room reserved for us, but it has a capacity of 39 people, so that's our limit in terms of the number of participants. With this in mind, if you'd like to invite someone, please ask us beforehand, so we can make sure there won't be any problem space-wise on the big day.

'''Do we need to bring anything?''' Not much. If you can bring your favorite mug, it'll save us a lot of washing up. We'll also need extension cords and power strips, but if a few people bring them, we'll be fine :). USB sticks are handy, but computers are almost indispensable in this case. If you like thermal printers or DIY plotters, bring them along too :)))

'''Where, when?''' Location: Césure (3rd floor, in the Las Vergnas room) - 13 Rue Santeuil, 75005 Paris Dates: Weekend of Saturday January 20 and Sunday January 21, 2024 Schedules: From 9:30 am on both days, we'll welcome you with coffee, have lunch together and stay at Césure in the evenings.

With all this, we can't wait for 2024.

See you soon!

Julie & Yann
</blockquote>

Main Page

2024-01-18T09:48:22Z

Manetta:

Main Page

2024-01-18T09:47:07Z

Manetta: /* Events */

PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

2024-01-18T09:44:44Z

Manetta:

[[File:PPP-Varia.jpg|900px|alt=PPP friends in front of Varia for a group photo.|"Everyone do a P!"]]

<small>PPP friends in front of Varia for a group photo. "Everyone do a P!"</small>

<blockquote>F/LOSS publishing tool users unite! On Friday 24 + Saturday 25 of November we're organising a gathering in Varia to: come together, meet new peers, discuss, explore each other's preferred tools or ways of working and work on PrePostPrint.</blockquote>

* Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023
* Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days)
* Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam)
* Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html

==Recap==

This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023

===PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap===

Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconference style meetup. Within an open programme, many others joined to think along on what PPP has been, is, and could be. Which created a great dynamic and mix of people closer and more familiar to PPP and others who were new to it. We played music from a rotating selection of cassette tapes while revealing our "hidden agendas" for the meetup.

On the first day one group worked on questions around the PrePostPrint website and another on how to be a part of PPP in the communication channels being used on Matrix. We finished the day with a demonstration of tools and projects such as coline, OSPKit, pagetypetoprint, myfffonts, a small bash tool called "now", Vinnyfont, https://velvetyne.fr/, the Walkie Talkie XPUB grad catalog, https://digestingcare.eu/ + printed booklets, Spectres of Learning + Chattypub, ssh-warm-welcome, octomode.
On the second day we were joined by more people in collective conversations around the idea of a PPP wiki, the political orientations of F/LOSS publishing tools, a local PPP group in the Netherlands and a call for new maintainers. We finished they day again with a request for more demo's, which included distribusi, P birds stickers, p-chaumont vectors, plancton, wiki-to-print/wiki2print/wiki-to-pdf, and some self aclaimed "dumb demos".

More info and links can be found here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup (from line 71 for demo's on day one, and from line 573 for the demo's on day two).

We took a group photo while some of us made the letter "P" with our hands: https://wiki.prepostprint.org/images/a/a9/PPP-Varia.jpg, which unfortunately misses some people on the picture who joined for the first day. More pictures can be found in the Varia archive soon (https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/).

The two days were concluded with a round of hidden outcomes:

huge list of references! great to have!

unexpected outcomes

tomorrow there will be a call with the Linz Desgn Week https://dsignweek.servus.at/
and PPP local meet up, to summerize. How to connect to non FR/BE/NL context

i now understand what PPP is :)

there is a flyer for the local PPP NL group

nice to meet everyone in person

happy to see that PPP is still alive

very happy to have channels and the wiki to share publishing enthusiasm with,
that was already circulating, but not so widely

learned that iframes and transclusion are cool

happy to have a wiki, looking forward to write in it

happy to meet new people and be part of a moment of reflection, what to do together

unsolved question around the website

it's good for the moral to see each other

has been a long time for luuse to meet others, very rich moment

good to share frustrations and stories when working with publishers,
happy to not feel alone here, it's not our fault, it's just the way it is when exploring things

available to translate English to French for PPP things

happy that after 6 months talking/thinking about a wiki, we managed to set it up in 1.5 day;
it's running and it's yellow, let's use it, let's see where it leads us

we didn't talk about the hidden agenda of an event in Brussels, but with connection now to
Luuse and through Simon with OSP, hopefully the links will continue to strengthen and this
will take place some time some day, i'm quite confident

main purpose was to get inspired about the tools being used, happy to meet everyone, very nice

great to meet everyone, not sure what PPP was and now i know a little bit,
excitement is the unexpected outcome

tl;dr:

* Notes from the two days are here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* Pictures of these two days can be found here: [soon]
* There is a wiki now: https://wiki.prepostprint.org
* There is a local PPP NL group now! They will gather on 16th Feburary 2024 for an all day meetup. Location TBD. Join the Signal group at https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om
* There is a call published for new maintainers: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/2023-2024-call.html

PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

2024-01-18T09:44:19Z

Manetta: /* Recap */

[[File:PPP-Varia.jpg|900px|alt=PPP friends in front of Varia for a group photo.|"Everyone do a P!"]]

<blockquote>F/LOSS publishing tool users unite! On Friday 24 + Saturday 25 of November we're organising a gathering in Varia to: come together, meet new peers, discuss, explore each other's preferred tools or ways of working and work on PrePostPrint.</blockquote>

* Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023
* Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days)
* Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam)
* Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html

==Recap==

This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023

===PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap===

Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconference style meetup. Within an open programme, many others joined to think along on what PPP has been, is, and could be. Which created a great dynamic and mix of people closer and more familiar to PPP and others who were new to it. We played music from a rotating selection of cassette tapes while revealing our "hidden agendas" for the meetup.

On the first day one group worked on questions around the PrePostPrint website and another on how to be a part of PPP in the communication channels being used on Matrix. We finished the day with a demonstration of tools and projects such as coline, OSPKit, pagetypetoprint, myfffonts, a small bash tool called "now", Vinnyfont, https://velvetyne.fr/, the Walkie Talkie XPUB grad catalog, https://digestingcare.eu/ + printed booklets, Spectres of Learning + Chattypub, ssh-warm-welcome, octomode.
On the second day we were joined by more people in collective conversations around the idea of a PPP wiki, the political orientations of F/LOSS publishing tools, a local PPP group in the Netherlands and a call for new maintainers. We finished they day again with a request for more demo's, which included distribusi, P birds stickers, p-chaumont vectors, plancton, wiki-to-print/wiki2print/wiki-to-pdf, and some self aclaimed "dumb demos".

More info and links can be found here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup (from line 71 for demo's on day one, and from line 573 for the demo's on day two).

We took a group photo while some of us made the letter "P" with our hands: https://wiki.prepostprint.org/images/a/a9/PPP-Varia.jpg, which unfortunately misses some people on the picture who joined for the first day. More pictures can be found in the Varia archive soon (https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/).

The two days were concluded with a round of hidden outcomes:

huge list of references! great to have!

unexpected outcomes

tomorrow there will be a call with the Linz Desgn Week https://dsignweek.servus.at/
and PPP local meet up, to summerize. How to connect to non FR/BE/NL context

i now understand what PPP is :)

there is a flyer for the local PPP NL group

nice to meet everyone in person

happy to see that PPP is still alive

very happy to have channels and the wiki to share publishing enthusiasm with,
that was already circulating, but not so widely

learned that iframes and transclusion are cool

happy to have a wiki, looking forward to write in it

happy to meet new people and be part of a moment of reflection, what to do together

unsolved question around the website

it's good for the moral to see each other

has been a long time for luuse to meet others, very rich moment

good to share frustrations and stories when working with publishers,
happy to not feel alone here, it's not our fault, it's just the way it is when exploring things

available to translate English to French for PPP things

happy that after 6 months talking/thinking about a wiki, we managed to set it up in 1.5 day;
it's running and it's yellow, let's use it, let's see where it leads us

we didn't talk about the hidden agenda of an event in Brussels, but with connection now to
Luuse and through Simon with OSP, hopefully the links will continue to strengthen and this
will take place some time some day, i'm quite confident

main purpose was to get inspired about the tools being used, happy to meet everyone, very nice

great to meet everyone, not sure what PPP was and now i know a little bit,
excitement is the unexpected outcome

tl;dr:

* Notes from the two days are here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* Pictures of these two days can be found here: [soon]
* There is a wiki now: https://wiki.prepostprint.org
* There is a local PPP NL group now! They will gather on 16th Feburary 2024 for an all day meetup. Location TBD. Join the Signal group at https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om
* There is a call published for new maintainers: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/2023-2024-call.html

PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

2024-01-18T09:44:00Z

Manetta:

[[File:PPP-Varia.jpg|900px|alt=PPP friends in front of Varia for a group photo.|"Everyone do a P!"]]

<blockquote>F/LOSS publishing tool users unite! On Friday 24 + Saturday 25 of November we're organising a gathering in Varia to: come together, meet new peers, discuss, explore each other's preferred tools or ways of working and work on PrePostPrint.</blockquote>

* Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023
* Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days)
* Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam)
* Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html

==Recap==

This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023

See also: PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

===PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap===

Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconference style meetup. Within an open programme, many others joined to think along on what PPP has been, is, and could be. Which created a great dynamic and mix of people closer and more familiar to PPP and others who were new to it. We played music from a rotating selection of cassette tapes while revealing our "hidden agendas" for the meetup.

On the first day one group worked on questions around the PrePostPrint website and another on how to be a part of PPP in the communication channels being used on Matrix. We finished the day with a demonstration of tools and projects such as coline, OSPKit, pagetypetoprint, myfffonts, a small bash tool called "now", Vinnyfont, https://velvetyne.fr/, the Walkie Talkie XPUB grad catalog, https://digestingcare.eu/ + printed booklets, Spectres of Learning + Chattypub, ssh-warm-welcome, octomode.
On the second day we were joined by more people in collective conversations around the idea of a PPP wiki, the political orientations of F/LOSS publishing tools, a local PPP group in the Netherlands and a call for new maintainers. We finished they day again with a request for more demo's, which included distribusi, P birds stickers, p-chaumont vectors, plancton, wiki-to-print/wiki2print/wiki-to-pdf, and some self aclaimed "dumb demos".

More info and links can be found here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup (from line 71 for demo's on day one, and from line 573 for the demo's on day two).

We took a group photo while some of us made the letter "P" with our hands: https://wiki.prepostprint.org/images/a/a9/PPP-Varia.jpg, which unfortunately misses some people on the picture who joined for the first day. More pictures can be found in the Varia archive soon (https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/).

The two days were concluded with a round of hidden outcomes:

huge list of references! great to have!

unexpected outcomes

tomorrow there will be a call with the Linz Desgn Week https://dsignweek.servus.at/
and PPP local meet up, to summerize. How to connect to non FR/BE/NL context

i now understand what PPP is :)

there is a flyer for the local PPP NL group

nice to meet everyone in person

happy to see that PPP is still alive

very happy to have channels and the wiki to share publishing enthusiasm with,
that was already circulating, but not so widely

learned that iframes and transclusion are cool

happy to have a wiki, looking forward to write in it

happy to meet new people and be part of a moment of reflection, what to do together

unsolved question around the website

it's good for the moral to see each other

has been a long time for luuse to meet others, very rich moment

good to share frustrations and stories when working with publishers,
happy to not feel alone here, it's not our fault, it's just the way it is when exploring things

available to translate English to French for PPP things

happy that after 6 months talking/thinking about a wiki, we managed to set it up in 1.5 day;
it's running and it's yellow, let's use it, let's see where it leads us

we didn't talk about the hidden agenda of an event in Brussels, but with connection now to
Luuse and through Simon with OSP, hopefully the links will continue to strengthen and this
will take place some time some day, i'm quite confident

main purpose was to get inspired about the tools being used, happy to meet everyone, very nice

great to meet everyone, not sure what PPP was and now i know a little bit,
excitement is the unexpected outcome

tl;dr:

* Notes from the two days are here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* Pictures of these two days can be found here: [soon]
* There is a wiki now: https://wiki.prepostprint.org
* There is a local PPP NL group now! They will gather on 16th Feburary 2024 for an all day meetup. Location TBD. Join the Signal group at https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om
* There is a call published for new maintainers: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/2023-2024-call.html

PPP-local-meetup report (Varia, November 2023)

2024-01-18T09:43:12Z

Manetta:

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PPP-local-meetup report (Varia, November 2023)

2024-01-18T09:42:53Z

Manetta: Replaced content with "xx"

PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

2024-01-18T09:41:04Z

Manetta:

[[File:PPP-Varia.jpg|900px|alt=PPP friends in front of Varia for a group photo.|"Everyone do a P!"]]

* Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023
* Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days)
* Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam)
* Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html

==Links==

* event announcement: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html
* meeting notes made on Saturday + Sunday: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* recap report: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023 + [[PPP-local-meetup_report_(Varia,_November_2023)|mirrored on the wiki here]]

==Recap==

This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023

See also: PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

==PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap==

Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconference style meetup. Within an open programme, many others joined to think along on what PPP has been, is, and could be. Which created a great dynamic and mix of people closer and more familiar to PPP and others who were new to it. We played music from a rotating selection of cassette tapes while revealing our "hidden agendas" for the meetup.

On the first day one group worked on questions around the PrePostPrint website and another on how to be a part of PPP in the communication channels being used on Matrix. We finished the day with a demonstration of tools and projects such as coline, OSPKit, pagetypetoprint, myfffonts, a small bash tool called "now", Vinnyfont, https://velvetyne.fr/, the Walkie Talkie XPUB grad catalog, https://digestingcare.eu/ + printed booklets, Spectres of Learning + Chattypub, ssh-warm-welcome, octomode.
On the second day we were joined by more people in collective conversations around the idea of a PPP wiki, the political orientations of F/LOSS publishing tools, a local PPP group in the Netherlands and a call for new maintainers. We finished they day again with a request for more demo's, which included distribusi, P birds stickers, p-chaumont vectors, plancton, wiki-to-print/wiki2print/wiki-to-pdf, and some self aclaimed "dumb demos".

More info and links can be found here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup (from line 71 for demo's on day one, and from line 573 for the demo's on day two).

We took a group photo while some of us made the letter "P" with our hands: https://wiki.prepostprint.org/images/a/a9/PPP-Varia.jpg, which unfortunately misses some people on the picture who joined for the first day. More pictures can be found in the Varia archive soon (https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/).

The two days were concluded with a round of hidden outcomes:

huge list of references! great to have!

unexpected outcomes

tomorrow there will be a call with the Linz Desgn Week https://dsignweek.servus.at/
and PPP local meet up, to summerize. How to connect to non FR/BE/NL context

i now understand what PPP is :)

there is a flyer for the local PPP NL group

nice to meet everyone in person

happy to see that PPP is still alive

very happy to have channels and the wiki to share publishing enthusiasm with,
that was already circulating, but not so widely

learned that iframes and transclusion are cool

happy to have a wiki, looking forward to write in it

happy to meet new people and be part of a moment of reflection, what to do together

unsolved question around the website

it's good for the moral to see each other

has been a long time for luuse to meet others, very rich moment

good to share frustrations and stories when working with publishers,
happy to not feel alone here, it's not our fault, it's just the way it is when exploring things

available to translate English to French for PPP things

happy that after 6 months talking/thinking about a wiki, we managed to set it up in 1.5 day;
it's running and it's yellow, let's use it, let's see where it leads us

we didn't talk about the hidden agenda of an event in Brussels, but with connection now to
Luuse and through Simon with OSP, hopefully the links will continue to strengthen and this
will take place some time some day, i'm quite confident

main purpose was to get inspired about the tools being used, happy to meet everyone, very nice

great to meet everyone, not sure what PPP was and now i know a little bit,
excitement is the unexpected outcome

tl;dr:

* Notes from the two days are here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* Pictures of these two days can be found here: [soon]
* There is a wiki now: https://wiki.prepostprint.org
* There is a local PPP NL group now! They will gather on 16th Feburary 2024 for an all day meetup. Location TBD. Join the Signal group at https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om
* There is a call published for new maintainers: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/2023-2024-call.html

PPP-local-meetup report (Varia, November 2023)

2024-01-18T09:40:10Z

Manetta:

This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023

==PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap==

* Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023
* Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days)
* Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam)
* Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html

Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconference style meetup. Within an open programme, many others joined to think along on what PPP has been, is, and could be. Which created a great dynamic and mix of people closer and more familiar to PPP and others who were new to it. We played music from a rotating selection of cassette tapes while revealing our "hidden agendas" for the meetup.

On the first day one group worked on questions around the PrePostPrint website and another on how to be a part of PPP in the communication channels being used on Matrix. We finished the day with a demonstration of tools and projects such as coline, OSPKit, pagetypetoprint, myfffonts, a small bash tool called "now", Vinnyfont, https://velvetyne.fr/, the Walkie Talkie XPUB grad catalog, https://digestingcare.eu/ + printed booklets, Spectres of Learning + Chattypub, ssh-warm-welcome, octomode.
On the second day we were joined by more people in collective conversations around the idea of a PPP wiki, the political orientations of F/LOSS publishing tools, a local PPP group in the Netherlands and a call for new maintainers. We finished they day again with a request for more demo's, which included distribusi, P birds stickers, p-chaumont vectors, plancton, wiki-to-print/wiki2print/wiki-to-pdf, and some self aclaimed "dumb demos".

More info and links can be found here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup (from line 71 for demo's on day one, and from line 573 for the demo's on day two).

We took a group photo while some of us made the letter "P" with our hands: https://wiki.prepostprint.org/images/a/a9/PPP-Varia.jpg, which unfortunately misses some people on the picture who joined for the first day. More pictures can be found in the Varia archive soon (https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/).

The two days were concluded with a round of hidden outcomes:

huge list of references! great to have!

unexpected outcomes

tomorrow there will be a call with the Linz Desgn Week https://dsignweek.servus.at/
and PPP local meet up, to summerize. How to connect to non FR/BE/NL context

i now understand what PPP is :)

there is a flyer for the local PPP NL group

nice to meet everyone in person

happy to see that PPP is still alive

very happy to have channels and the wiki to share publishing enthusiasm with,
that was already circulating, but not so widely

learned that iframes and transclusion are cool

happy to have a wiki, looking forward to write in it

happy to meet new people and be part of a moment of reflection, what to do together

unsolved question around the website

it's good for the moral to see each other

has been a long time for luuse to meet others, very rich moment

good to share frustrations and stories when working with publishers,
happy to not feel alone here, it's not our fault, it's just the way it is when exploring things

available to translate English to French for PPP things

happy that after 6 months talking/thinking about a wiki, we managed to set it up in 1.5 day;
it's running and it's yellow, let's use it, let's see where it leads us

we didn't talk about the hidden agenda of an event in Brussels, but with connection now to
Luuse and through Simon with OSP, hopefully the links will continue to strengthen and this
will take place some time some day, i'm quite confident

main purpose was to get inspired about the tools being used, happy to meet everyone, very nice

great to meet everyone, not sure what PPP was and now i know a little bit,
excitement is the unexpected outcome

tl;dr:

* Notes from the two days are here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* Pictures of these two days can be found here: [soon]
* There is a wiki now: https://wiki.prepostprint.org
* There is a local PPP NL group now! They will gather on 16th Feburary 2024 for an all day meetup. Location TBD. Join the Signal group at https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om
* There is a call published for new maintainers: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/2023-2024-call.html

PPP-local-meetup report (Varia, November 2023)

2024-01-18T09:39:34Z

Manetta: /* PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap */

This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023

==PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap==

* Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023
* Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days)
* Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam)
* Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html

Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconference style meetup. Within an open programme, many others joined to think along on what PPP has been, is, and could be. Which created a great dynamic and mix of people closer and more familiar to PPP and others who were new to it. We played music from a rotating selection of cassette tapes while revealing our "hidden agendas" for the meetup.

On the first day one group worked on questions around the PrePostPrint website and another on how to be a part of PPP in the communication channels being used on Matrix. We finished the day with a demonstration of tools and projects such as coline, OSPKit, pagetypetoprint, myfffonts, a small bash tool called "now", Vinnyfont, https://velvetyne.fr/, the Walkie Talkie XPUB grad catalog, https://digestingcare.eu/ + printed booklets, Spectres of Learning + Chattypub, ssh-warm-welcome, octomode.
On the second day we were joined by more people in collective conversations around the idea of a PPP wiki, the political orientations of F/LOSS publishing tools, a local PPP group in the Netherlands and a call for new maintainers. We finished they day again with a request for more demo's, which included distribusi, P birds stickers, p-chaumont vectors, plancton, wiki-to-print/wiki2print/wiki-to-pdf, and some self aclaimed "dumb demos".

More info and links can be found here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup (from line 71 for demo's on day one, and from line 573 for the demo's on day two).

We took a group photo while some of us made the letter "P" with our hands: https://wiki.prepostprint.org/images/a/a9/PPP-Varia.jpg, which unfortunately misses some people on the picture who joined for the first day. More pictures can be found in the Varia archive soon (https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/).

The two days were concluded with a round of hidden outcomes:

huge list of references! great to have!

unexpected outcomes

tomorrow there will be a call with the Linz Desgn Week https://dsignweek.servus.at/ and PPP local meet up, to summerize. How to connect to non FR/BE/NL context

i now understand what PPP is :)

there is a flyer for the local PPP NL group

nice to meet everyone in person

happy to see that PPP is still alive

very happy to have channels and the wiki to share publishing enthusiasm with, that was already circulating, but not so widely

learned that iframes and transclusion are cool

happy to have a wiki, looking forward to write in it

happy to meet new people and be part of a moment of reflection, what to do together

unsolved question around the website

it's good for the moral to see each other

has been a long time for luuse to meet others, very rich moment

good to share frustrations and stories when working with publishers, happy to not feel alone here, it's not our fault, it's just the way it is when exploring things

available to translate English to French for PPP things

happy that after 6 months talking/thinking about a wiki, we managed to set it up in 1.5 day; it's running and it's yellow, let's use it, let's see where it leads us

we didn't talk about the hidden agenda of an event in Brussels, but with connection now to Luuse and through Simon with OSP, hopefully the links will continue to strengthen and this will take place some time some day, i'm quite confident

main purpose was to get inspired about the tools being used, happy to meet everyone, very nice

great to meet everyone, not sure what PPP was and now i know a little bit, excitement is the unexpected outcome

tl;dr:

* Notes from the two days are here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* Pictures of these two days can be found here: [soon]
* There is a wiki now: https://wiki.prepostprint.org
* There is a local PPP NL group now! They will gather on 16th Feburary 2024 for an all day meetup. Location TBD. Join the Signal group at https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om
* There is a call published for new maintainers: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/2023-2024-call.html

PPP-local-meetup report (Varia, November 2023)

2024-01-18T09:38:52Z

Manetta: Created page with "This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023 ==PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap== * Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023 * Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days) * Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam) * Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconfer..."

This is a mirror of: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023

==PrePostPrint Local Meetup recap==

* Dates: Friday 24th & Saturday 25th November, 2023
* Time: 10:30-17:00h CET (both days)
* Location: Varia (Gouwstraat 3, Rotterdam)
* Link: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html

Once again, the maintainer's group met together to work on PPP over two days. They travelled from France and Belgium to Varia in the south of Rotterdam for an unconference style meetup. Within an open programme, many others joined to think along on what PPP has been, is, and could be. Which created a great dynamic and mix of people closer and more familiar to PPP and others who were new to it. We played music from a rotating selection of cassette tapes while revealing our "hidden agendas" for the meetup.

On the first day one group worked on questions around the PrePostPrint website and another on how to be a part of PPP in the communication channels being used on Matrix. We finished the day with a demonstration of tools and projects such as coline, OSPKit, pagetypetoprint, myfffonts, a small bash tool called "now", Vinnyfont, https://velvetyne.fr/, the Walkie Talkie XPUB grad catalog, https://digestingcare.eu/ + printed booklets, Spectres of Learning + Chattypub, ssh-warm-welcome, octomode.
On the second day we were joined by more people in collective conversations around the idea of a PPP wiki, the political orientations of F/LOSS publishing tools, a local PPP group in the Netherlands and a call for new maintainers. We finished they day again with a request for more demo's, which included distribusi, P birds stickers, p-chaumont vectors, plancton, wiki-to-print/wiki2print/wiki-to-pdf, and some self aclaimed "dumb demos".

More info and links can be found here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup (from line 71 for demo's on day one, and from line 573 for the demo's on day two).

We took a group photo while some of us made the letter "P" with our hands: https://wiki.prepostprint.org/images/a/a9/PPP-Varia.jpg, which unfortunately misses some people on the picture who joined for the first day. More pictures can be found in the Varia archive soon (https://vvvvvvaria.org/archive/).

The two days were concluded with a round of hidden outcomes:

huge list of references! great to have!

unexpected outcomes

tomorrow there will be a call with the Linz Desgn Week https://dsignweek.servus.at/ and PPP local meet up, to summerize. How to connect to non FR/BE/NL context

i now understand what PPP is :)

there is a flyer for the local PPP NL group

nice to meet everyone in person

happy to see that PPP is still alive

very happy to have channels and the wiki to share publishing enthusiasm with, that was already circulating, but not so widely

learned that iframes and transclusion are cool

happy to have a wiki, looking forward to write in it

happy to meet new people and be part of a moment of reflection, what to do together

unsolved question around the website

it's good for the moral to see each other

has been a long time for luuse to meet others, very rich moment

good to share frustrations and stories when working with publishers, happy to not feel alone here, it's not our fault, it's just the way it is when exploring things

available to translate English to French for PPP things

happy that after 6 months talking/thinking about a wiki, we managed to set it up in 1.5 day; it's running and it's yellow, let's use it, let's see where it leads us

we didn't talk about the hidden agenda of an event in Brussels, but with connection now to Luuse and through Simon with OSP, hopefully the links will continue to strengthen and this will take place some time some day, i'm quite confident

main purpose was to get inspired about the tools being used, happy to meet everyone, very nice

great to meet everyone, not sure what PPP was and now i know a little bit, excitement is the unexpected outcome

tl;dr:

* Notes from the two days are here: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* Pictures of these two days can be found here: [soon]
* There is a wiki now: https://wiki.prepostprint.org
* There is a local PPP NL group now! They will gather on 16th Feburary 2024 for an all day meetup. Location TBD. Join the Signal group at https://signal.group/#CjQKILLW4ogkgaFBJgKnpeKesAcvSVixMEgKpR_Kgdd4MEUWEhD4LsrXPbakq8jJLJbxF1om
* There is a call published for new maintainers: https://prepostprint.org/maintenance/2023-2024-call.html

PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

2024-01-18T09:38:14Z

Manetta:

[[File:PPP-Varia.jpg|900px|alt=PPP friends in front of Varia for a group photo.|"Everyone do a P!"]]

==Links==

* event announcement: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html
* meeting notes made on Saturday + Sunday: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* recap report: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023 + [[PPP-local-meetup_report_(Varia,_November_2023)|mirrored on the wiki here]]

PrePostPrint Local Meetup @ Varia

2024-01-18T09:37:12Z

Manetta:

[[File:PPP-Varia.jpg|thumb|left|alt=PPP friends in front of Varia for a group photo.|"Everyone do a P!"]]

==Links==

* event announcement: https://varia.zone/en/PrePostPrint-local-meetup.html
* meeting notes made on Saturday + Sunday: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/PPP-local-meetup
* recap report: https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/ppp-local-meetup-11-2023 + [[PPP-local-meetup_(Varia,_November_2023)|mirrored on the wiki here]]

User:Manetta

2023-12-21T08:52:27Z

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